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Monday, August 22, 2011

Warrior Wound Care Oral I.V.: Tactical Snake Oil - Or why you should not believe everything you read on the internet.

(Click here for the chemical analysis of Oral IV and further exploration into why in my opinion it is not worth spending money on.) 

I'm going to come right out and say it, for the edification of the general public who may not have picked up on this particular character trait of mine. I'm anal-retentive. A lot.
I have a serious issue with pretty much anybody that spreads bad information around, especially when they prey on the relative ignorance of layfolk when it comes to science. Even more so when this is done in order to sell a what I think is a bogus product to our military personnel, law enforcement and other people who put their lives on the line in the service of the rest of us.
Which brings me to my current grievance, the product "Oral I.V." by RHTR LLC.
Touted as an oral rehydration solution, Oral I.V. as a product is marketed squarely at our military and law enforcement personnel. Their claims sound too good to be true and there are reasons for this.
Mostly, that they ARE too good to be true.
While there is plenty of research that shows that you can attain excellent rehydration of severely dehydrated individuals with nothing but oral fluids, achieving results almost as quickly as administering intravenous fluids, the marketing hype behind Oral I.V. is so full of holes and inaccuracies it makes my brain meats hurt. Let's look at these claims and I'll pick them apart as we go.
Before we do that, I feel that I should mention that the product itself is supposedly based on the research of one Gerald Olarsch, a doctor of Naturopathy; who had a real hard-on for trace minerals. His research has been largely discredited over the years as have his outrageous claims of being able to, amongst other things, cure cancer with trace minerals. Of course, Oral I.V. talks a lot about trace mineral balances as being the alpha and omega of... Well... Everything.

We'll start with one of Oral I.V.'s primary claims. Note, all of these are direct quotes from RHTR, LLC.





The ORAL I.V.™ Story - Rapid Cellular Hydration
Red blood cells are the transport mechanism through which all the cells in the body and brain receive oxygen, minerals and water - the building blocks of human function. Even if there is abundant water in your system, the osmotic pressure of the red blood cell will not permit the absorption of water absent the correct electrolytic balance. Dehydration and the acidic (sugar filled) diet of North Americans cause red blood cells to lose their external negative charge. As a result, they clump together like this:

When your blood cells are clumped together, water, oxygen and essential minerals can no longer get to or through all the little capillaries in your body. As such, systemic hydration is impossible.
Unlike any other beverage available, ORAL I.V.™ changes the conductivity of the cell within 60 seconds of consumption through its unique formulation of Crystalloid Electrolytes and ultra-purified oxygenated water. This results in an immediate change to the electro-static charge as well as the osmotic pressure of the red blood cells. They absorb water quickly (shimmering white centers) causing instantaneous cellular hydration. The restored negative charge of the red blood cells keeps them apart as seen here:

These charged and hydrated blood cells can freely flow to every cell in the body, passing individually if necessary, through the smallest of blood vessels resulting in immediate and profound hydration. This further ensures the delivery to all cells essential micronutrients in microscopic crystalloid form for optimal cellular function.

While parts of this initial claim are accurate enough, the rest is a jumbled mish-mash. Given orally, it is not physically possible for anything to take effect systemically in 60 seconds. It's utter hogwash. Absorption just doesn't occur that fast with anything taken orally, I don't care how great the electrolytes are. Instantaneous cellular rehydration is complete horse puckey, it is simply against the laws of physics. 
Secondly, a large part of the mechanism for nutrient and fluid absorption in the gut is powered by sugars, by which I mean to say that absorption rates are vastly increased in the presence of sugars, notably glucose. Oral I.V. has no sugar. You will note that the WHO recommendations for an appropriate oral rehydration solution includes sugar. 

Thirdly, crystalloid electrolytes are NOT unique. Every single electrolyte supplement on the market uses crystalloid electrolytes. The term has been shanghaied from medical terminology where it is used to differentiate between types of intravenous fluid supplements, meant for fluid resuscitation, also referred to as volume replacement.
Crystalloid solutions are typically things like saline, dextrose and lactated ringer's. A colloid solution refers to products that contain larger molecules like starch or gelatin. The latter are also referred to as volume expanders. They are typically not taken orally in a medical capacity.
Note that I am not trying to say that electrolyte balance isn't important. It is, and very much so.
And finally, the mention of an acidic diet is really spurious as well. You'll see lots of pseudo-science relating to the acidity of diet having all sorts of effects but I've yet to see a single, peer-reviewed study that backs up... Well... Any of these claims.

Moving on to more claims.


CRYSTALLOID ELECTROLYTE RAPID REHYDRATION FLUID
BY COBRA INDUSTRIES™
WORLD-WIDE PATENT PENDING FORMULA
Electrolyte and essential mineral replacement is crucial in restoring proper blood sugar levels, and is necessary for enzymatic reactions that promote correct blood volume. Without them the quality of performance during long-term or explosive short-term exercise decreases. ORAL I.V. has been formulated to provide Crystalloid Electrolytes and essential trace minerals to keep the body operating at peak performance.
Promotes faster recovery from injury stress or strenuous exercise
Quickly heightens concentration and alertness
Supports neurotransmitter function in the brain
Increases oxygen uptake at the cellular level
Dramatically boosts energy levels and strengthens the immune system
Raises osmotic pressure level of cells to keep them strong
Increases body enzyme production
Helps keep the body's homeostasis balance
Aids in efficient removal of toxic body acids
Enhances uptake of vitamins, macro minerals, proteins and other essential nutrients from natural food sources or dietary supplements
Helps to reestablish healthy pH levels


Despite the claim of a world-wide patent pending, I've been unable to find any patent applications relating to this. If any of my readership has better patent-fu than I do, I'd love to see it.
Again, there are a lot of claims here that are partially true, but heavily exaggerated.
Restores proper blood sugar levels? How? Where does the sugar come from?
Enzymatic reactions that promote correct blood volume? All the enzymes in the world aren't going to replace actual fluids. Note that Oral I.V. come in containers only a few milliliters in volume.
I could go on, but I don't much see the point. Moving on.


WHAT ARE ELECTROLYTES?
Electrolyte is a "medical/scientific" term for mineral salts, specifically ions. Electrolytes are the spark that keeps our bodies running. They are necessary for life. They are important because our cells (especially nerve, heart, and muscle) use them to maintain voltage across cell membranes and to carry electrical impulses (nerve impulses, muscle contractions) across to other cells.
These electro-chemicals influence the body's pH – a chemical balance that determines how effectively the biological systems run. When there is a deficiency of body electricity, body functions slow down and eventually stop. Micronutrients play an important role in energy production, hemoglobin synthesis and maintenance of bone health, adequate immune function and the protection of body tissues from oxidative damage. They are also required to help build and repair muscle tissue following exercise.
Electrolytes facilitate delivery of oxygen to achieve and maintain peak brain function and proper nervous system response. The constant firing of micro-electric impulses across the synapses of the brain requires a great deal of energy. Only electrolytes can supply this. If, because of an imbalance, there isn't enough oxygen available for the nerve cells to fire when needed, the brain functions less effectively. The body uses oxygen to turn nutrients into energy through the process of primary oxygenation. This simply means that electrolytes help the oxygen create a chemical reaction that ultimately allows the body to "burn" the nutrients as fuel. In a nutshell, bio-oxidation liberates energy – which facilitates life.

Again, truths mixed with complete hogwash. Yes, electrolytes are important. Incredibly so. Hyponatremia, hypokalemia, etc, etc, can all kill you in a hurry if not treated. The most common of those tends to be hyponatremia, as sodium is the primary salt lost through sweating. But, a deficiency of body electricity? Pseudo-science. Electrolytes are also not responsible for delivery of oxygen. That task falls to hemoglobin, a large, complex protein molecule. Nor do electrolytes actually provide cellular energy. What they do provide is what is called an "action potential" or a difference of charge across membranes. This sudden change in charge is accomplished by the movement of sodium and potassium ions through cellular structures referred to as the sodium-potassium gates. However, actual cellular energy is provided by ATP or Adenosine-Triphosphate. ATP is what ultimately powers all biological processes. 

ELECTROLYTE/MINERAL SUPPLEMENTATION
When the human body is electrolyte deficient, vital nutrients are not effectively oxidized. This compromises the body's ability to get the fuel it needs to run at peak performance. Dehydration severely limits performance and may contribute to heat stroke, organ damage, and possibly death if the fluids are not replaced. Electrolytes are the life-giving force lost in the dehydration process accounting for the risk factor.
Sport drink and supplement manufacturers claiming their electrolyte-forming trace minerals facilitate proper rehydration may be only partially correct. According to Dr. Gerald Olarsch, N.D., too few trace minerals in a drink are unable to form the proper electrolyte balance to enter the cells and maximize rehydration. Too many trace minerals in combination can actually prevent electrolyte formation. The proper combinations of trace minerals are necessary for maximum hydration and to provide the benefits sought.


Dehydration DOES severely impact performance. But trace minerals have very little importance when it comes to hydration status. Rather, the movement of sodium is the major force at work. As the body loses water, a series of complex processes occur, which largely aim to restrict sodium loss and increases sodium reabsorption by the kidneys, thus conserving water, in an attempt to keep volume levels where they should be. And dehydration is largely a volume problem. You can quite literally go into hypovolemic shock from dehydration.
Too many trace minerals can not in any way impede "electrolyte formation". This is again complete hooey. Electrolytes are simply mineral compounds that disassociate when in an aqueous solution, in this case, blood. To simplify, a sodium chloride molecule (read: salt) becomes one sodium+ ion and one Chloride- ion when introduced into an aqueous solution. They do not need to "form". Which brings me to another claim. This one is actually from a primary vendor of the product.


What is ORAL IV?

ORAL IV is an Oral Rehydration solution that provides the critical electrolytes your body needs and nothing elseORAL IV does not contain any sugars or stimulants. It can be consumed directly of added to 16 ounces of water or other liquids.

Why is ORAL IV better than other Oral Hydration solutions?

The minerals in ORAL IV are not compoundedthey do not have to be digested or broken down and are absorbed directly upon contact with all mucous membranes. The actual particle size of the mineral ions is much smaller than other products, and they have a more powerful electrical charge... this allows them to pass freely through cellular membranes without requiring cellular energy.

Is ORAL IV all I need?

No ORAL IV does not replenish any more water that the 15mL that is in the bottleyou must also drink fluids (we recommend just wateralong with ORAL IV. What ORAL IV does do is immediately provide the electrolytes that your body needs, making your body more efficient at using the water you do take in.

What is in ORAL IV?

ORAL IV is 11 mineralscopper, iodine, manganese, zinc, potassium, cobalt, sodium, selenium, chromium, silica, and boron in purified water. Nothing more.

Is ORAL IV approved by the FDA?

ORAL IV is considered a dietary supplement; there is no approval process from the US Food and Drug Administration for dietary supplements. There are of course requirements that the manufacturer ensure the supplement is safe and that any claims made are factual. ORAL IV strictly adheres to these requirements and is completely safe.



Ok, so primarily the biggest goof here that annoys me is this nonsense about their mineral ions being somehow smaller than other products. That's unbelievably retarded. An atom doesn't change size. Nor do they somehow magically acquire a more powerful electrical charge!
The only good part in this section is that they actually tell you to drink water with it. Yay! Finally, some sense!
Of course, they immediately ruin it with the stuff that comes next. Including the whole "factual claims" garbage.

Lastly, I'm going to include an excerpt from their literature.


Aspartame is a very popular sugar substitute, having substantially negative effects on the human body. Aspartame comes with a list of potential side effects, with the most profound being the possible detrimental effect on the neurotransmitters in the brain.6 Headaches are a common side effect of aspartame (sometimes camouflaged as phenylalanine on the label). Other symptoms may be joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, cramps, vertigo and dizziness. Scientific studies performed on aspartame to establish its safety prior to FDA approval revealed brain tumors and grand mal seizures in rats during the studies. When exposed to heat, aspartame breaks down into toxic methyl alcohol.7 This can occur during hot summer temperatures inside uncooled warehouses where drinks are stored, and drinking them may cause recurrent headaches, mental aberrations, seizures, and many consumers have suicidal tendencies. It has been implicated in Parkinson's disease and as a contributor to Alzheimer's.8 A substantial number of people suffering from aspartame poisoning have been misdiagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Removal of aspartame from the diet often leads to the disappearance of symptoms. Aspartame may not affect all users in the same way although side effects may be difficult to pin point as a result of using this common sweetener.
Another new sweetener is Acesulfame K. This is becoming more prevalent in some sport drinks. Tests show that the additive cause's cancer in animals, which means it may increase cancer in humans.


I admit that I'm not necessarily a big fan of chemical additives like artificial sweeteners, but realistically the weight of evidence suggests that within reason, these chemical additives are safe. This kind of fearmongering is typical of the naturopathy crowd, which as a field, isn't really renowned for its scientifically sound foundation.
So, to address a few of the claims here. Yes, Aspartame can form methyl alcohol, more commonly known as methanol. However, some fruit juices have higher concentrations than what you see in aspartame-sweetened drinks that have been improperly stored. Interestingly, while the above text contains what looks like references to studies, no actual links or names of studies are provided as reference. Nor does any of the available literature provide any kind of references for their claims. Also, aspartame is NEVER disguised as phenylalanine. That one almost made my head explode. Phenylalanine is an AMINO ACID, one that can be found in such every day things like... Oh, meat. Not only that, it's an essential amino acid, meaning we need to have it and we can't make it ourselves. It's also found in breast milk. Oh noes, the poisons!
The connection with aspartame is simply that as your body metabolizes aspartame, one of the metabolic products is phenylalanine, something that can be of concern if you suffer from the genetic disorder phenylketonuria. Note that the numbers in the above quoted text are present in the original text as well, and present in a manner that suggests references, of which there are none.

To sum up, Oral I.V., while it might work as a simple electrolyte supplement, is not going to perform the many miraculous tasks that RHTR, also known as Warrior Wound Care, claims that it will. You can just as easily maintain good hydration status by adding something like the Nuun or Camelbak Elixir tablets to your hydration bladder or water bottle and just maintaining good hydration discipline in general.
The claims that RHTR makes are almost entirely snake oil and it pisses me off to no end that they market this so aggressively to our military. I've seen several high-profile people in the tactical industry mention this product, and while I intend no offense, their opinions seem to be largely based in marketing hype and sheer ignorance. An ignorance that it seems obvious that Warrior Wound Care is taking advantage of.
I may at some point link to various references, but I'd strongly suggest just doing the research yourselves. Take responsibility for your own life and knowledge.

Addendum: I just stumbled over yet another product blurb from Oral I.V., this time courtesy of the website of one of their vendors. Lots more pseudo-scientific garbage that has no basis in reality.
This time they're stating that within seconds of coming into contact with any mucosal membrane their product changes the conductivity of all tissues throughout the body! That's brilliant! Given that the "conductivity" of cells is a closely regulated process that works only within an extremely narrow range of values, this can't be bad at all... Can it? Read it for yourself, folks. This is about as realistic as the Shopping Network. Next up, you might see these folks trying to sell you a Sham-WOW.
Oral I.V. Flier

Addendum 2: I have attempted a few times now to get a response from RHTR, LLC and a few of their vendors in a vain attempt to get them to provide me with anything in the way of a reference for any of their claims. So far, no response.

Addendum 3: I have been informed that Warrior Wound Care was never involved in the formulation and manufacturing of Oral IV. That was a misunderstanding on my part entirely.

The above is presented entirely as my opinion formed after doing extensive research into current medical publications and my own training as a medical professional.

(Click here for the chemical analysis of Oral IV and further exploration into why in my opinion it is not worth spending money on.) 

30 comments:

  1. Great Post. Theimoprtance ofself - awareness and personal responsibility nee constant reinforcement. Perhaps we should all cast a skeptical eye in regards to lots of "Healthy" products.

    Even butter with Canola oil varies widly from brand to brand.
    an NM olfrt.

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  2. Great Post. I was looking at OralIV and could only think that this was homeopathic BS - indeed, there are homeopathic cures with the exact same ingredients. Drinking a 15ml vial of mineral water is not going to stave off dehydration.

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  3. Jim, thanks for the comment. Yes, I've actually been looking for access to lab equipment that could analyze this stuff and determine exactly the amounts of what is in it. All the reports of this stuff tasting exactly like water has me fairly sure that the concentrations of minerals are far too low to actually replenish your electrolytes. In other words, if you rely on this stuff, you might end up with hyponatremia!

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  4. Ian,

    Well written review. Have you had a chance to try the product? I have read several testimonials by people claiming positive effects.

    Also, after watching a video by Haley Strategic, I'm left wondering how uptake is completed so quickly. Haley's video review showed red blood cell changes in less than 60 secs. Any ideas?

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  5. No, I have not. This whole thing is meant to address the claims themselves, all of which are... Well... Hyperbolic in the extreme. I saw the Haley video and while I generally have a great deal of respect for Mr. Haley, I was very disappointed in the video. There is no physiological pathway that allows for that significant a change in such a short amount of time. The good news however is that there WILL be a test done soon, by an independent third-party with impeccable credentials. Regardless of outcome, I will post all the results here in a new article.

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  6. You've got a great blog! Cheers from another gun guy, knifemaker, five finger wearer. I saw the Haley video, and was interested in the Oral IV thing- though I did find it a little odd he's launching a line of skin care products? I guess his wife is a dermatologist so- hey cheers to all us entrepreneurs.
    I've never tried the Oral IV and frankly have no idea if it would work but I think your commentary wasn't really on about a few things:
    “Given orally, it is not physically possible for anything to take effect systemically in 60 seconds. “
    ----------How about potassium cyanide? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_pill
    “Secondly, a large part of the mechanism for nutrient and fluid absorption in the gut is powered by sugars, by which I mean to say that absorption rates are vastly increased in the presence of sugars, notably glucose.”
    ------------Pretty sure this product isn’t claiming to be gatorade or anything containing an energy substrate. Seems to be claiming to alter oncotic pressure.
    “And finally, the mention of an acidic diet is really spurious as well.”
    -----------Never heard of metabolic acidosis?
    “Restores proper blood sugar levels?
    Enzymatic reactions that promote correct blood volume?”
    ----------Product seems to claim to create a shift in oncotic pressure which creates the environment in which other beneficial things could happen.
    “But, a deficiency of body electricity? Pseudo-science.”
    --------seems clear that “body electricity” is a marketing term used in place of real sciency words ;-)

    Overall I'd say the marketing isn't completely clear, or explicit, yes it's hype, but I wouldn't say its clearly utter hogwash. How do you explain the before/after blood test thing? Made for a neat display but I have no idea if that would translate into actual good things in the body.

    Regards, -Garrett

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  7. Hi, Garrett, thanks for the compliments.

    Ok... So let's see. Ingestion of potassium cyanide typically results in death (given sufficient dosage and stomach juice acidity) in about 10 minutes. This time varies significantly. Inhaled, the action is much faster, but that's not really the same system, is it? Nor can you compare the mechanism of action of a toxin to a nutrient, whether this nutrient is a mineral, vitamin or what have you.

    Oral IV does exactly claim to function much like other energy supplements, if you read their claims, you can clearly see that they state that it improves energy levels and mental alertness. That being said, you didn't quite understand what I was saying. The way the human body absorbs fluid (water) for rehydration is governed by a number of different processes and can ONLY occur in certain parts of the digestive system. If there is no glucose present, absorption of water doesn't happen in any notable amounts until the large intestine and colon.That's also where most of the minerals are absorbed. As for oncotic pressure, that's fine and well, but it doesn't just instantaneously occur systemically as soon as Oral IV comes into contact with a mucus membrane. Which is what they claim that it does.

    The acidic diet they're referring to here is tied to the concept of an alkaline diet (mostly another way of pushing a vegetarian diet). Something which is again closely tied to naturopathy. Since the inventor of this product is himself a "doctor" of naturopathy, the connection is rather obvious. They are NOT referring to the typical conditions associated with metabolic acidosis. Such as renal tubular acidosis.

    Oncotic pressure does not directly influence blood sugar or enzymatic reactions.

    Body electricity is actually another of the integral concepts of naturopathy. So no, sadly it is not a substitute for "sciency words". It is hogwash, though.
    But, don't worry. I will have actual test results soon from a credentialed lab.
    Which will include before and after CBC with manual diff, BMP ,and SaO2.

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  8. Cool! Seems like were I marketing this particular product, I'd show plenty of lab results.

    Garrett

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  9. Garrett,
    I agree. Not only did I look around for independent testing, I've also - as I mentioned in the article - contacted Warrior Wound Care/RHTR LLC several times asking for citations to back up the claims they make. None have been forthcoming. That makes me believe the information isn't there. Thus my only option is to have the product lab-tested myself.

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  10. Hi all - thank god for common sence... If it looks too good to be true it usually is... These guys have started trying to sell this crap science to the folks in Africa and middle east, who believe all that this crap science claims.

    Well

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  11. Before you go bashing on something that has been used for a few years by the most elite fighters on the planet with great success you need to do your homework. First off if you are recording trace elements and minerals you do not test with serum. You use urine. Second your gut will instantly absorb liquids. Go take a shot of cyanide and let me know how it works out for you. Third name your lab and what parameters and control measures you used to conduct your so called lab test. Name your lab and who and how the study was conducted. So far from what I have read you are trying to use scientific words to bullshit people. A Manual Diff looks at White Blood cells, a BMP or Basic metabolic panel is what it says, basic. Again if you want to check metabolism you check with urine and do a complete Metabolic Analysis to see everything working at the cellular level - Krebs and Citric Acid Cycle. This is where the cells produce their energy. A BMP is outdated and unreliable. Blood is the most inaccurate way to measure anything. Urine and saliva are what specialists use to screen patients. Blood can fluctuate status in seconds with O2 Sat and ph levels just by activation of the sympathetic nervous system. I am curious to your qualifications as a subject matter expert at tactic and medicine. From what I have researched on you you don't have many to be claiming what you claim. I suggest you learn how to conduct research and how to publish it. Maybe you can have people test this product on their own and have them review it for you blog. I have used this product for two years and I do more than the average person in the military. Glucose has nothing to do with hydration, glucose is for energy. Animals do not add glucose to their water, they consume it in their diet. The major fuels for muscle are glucose, fatty acids, and ketone bodies. You do not need sugar for hydration. Glucose is also fuel for your brain. When you deplete glucose you brain will shut down. This is fueling not hydration. I suggest you go get better information. Look at cofactors for metabolism, they are minerals. If you want to tell me that trace minerals are hogwash then you tell me what happens when you are deficient in iron, manganese, copper, iodine, zinc, cobalt and selenium? Those are your trace minerals. You need correct amounts of all of these trace minerals for optimal cell metabolism and hormone synthesis. This is where conventional medicine fails. Biochemistry proves this. Good luck.

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    1. Old comment but just in case you keep on keeping on arguing on the internet, a quick lesson:

      "This is where conventional medicine fails. Biochemistry proves this". See conventional medicine is based on physics and chemistry. We test things, if they work they become conventional medicine, if they don't we discard them and hipsters use them since obviously the doctors missed something.

      So when you say biochemistry proves that biochemistry is wrong, that physics is wrong, that chemistry is wrong, well you're arguing against yourself there and it becomes really easy to attack you. To his credit, Wendt didn't do that and instead rebutted your medical talk. Still not a good idea though.

      Secondly:
      "This is where conventional medicine fails". Biiiiiiig problem there, you've just said that doctors don't know everything. That scientists don't know everything. That kissing a rosary will heal a bullet wound for reasons that "scientists" and other New World Order Controllers are keeping from us. That's a really bad argument, since it's equivalent to saying "It works 'cause reasons, so there". You've admitted defeat, basically. You pulled a Hail Mary with "A Wizard Did It" and hope no-one questions you.

      Don't do that. Wendt didn't go for that either, even though those two short sentences would have completely negated your opinion right there. Nothing else you say means anything when you dismiss modern science at the start.

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  12. Well, hi there, Geoff. Bit antagonistic, aren't we?
    Let's cover what I did not say first.
    I never said trace minerals are not important. Not sure where you even got that idea from.
    I never said anything about being a SME at "tactic". I am however an EMT-B, PHTLS-certified and in an RN program. I also have an awful lot of friends that are in medicine, chemistry, biochemistry, austere medicine, physics, etc, etc, and I lean on them heavily when I run into something I don't understand. It's good to have big-brained friends.
    Also, I never said I was a scientist, or a doctor. I never claimed this article to be a peer-reviewed scientific study.
    What I do claim it to be, is a critical look at the marketing used by Warrior Wound Care and now OralIV.com and the hyperbole they use.
    Funny though that you should mention publishing research, because the people behind Oral IV never have. Not a single study. Never been published. Never been peer-reviewed. I know, because I looked.
    Also amusing, the suggestion of having people try the product and "review it" for my blog. That's called "anecdotal evidence" and it's not valid as proof of anything. There's no control of confounding variables at all. Lots of people swear up and down that homeopathic medicines work. Doesn't make it real.
    As for the blood testing. A manual differential - also known as a manual blood count - doesn't just look at white blood cells. As a matter of fact, it also looks at shape and size of red blood cells, which IS relevant as that is exactly the kind of imaging that Oral IV uses in its marketing.
    A Basic Metabolic Panel isn't just "basic". Again, it's relevant because it does look at a number of electrolytes.
    And no, neither test is unreliable or outdated. On the contrary, they're some of the most commonly performed tests done by healthcare providers. And for good reason.
    Urinalysis and saliva are indeed useful tests, but there is a great deal of information that you can ONLY get from blood testing.
    As for liquid absorption in the gut, well, you're just plain wrong. I suggest you go look up how we absorb fluids through our digestive tract. Of note, those pathways don't apply to things like cyanide. You know, because cyanide isn't water. Funny how that's the second time that's come up...
    Anyways, glucose. Glucose allows uptake of water from the small intestine, instead of just the colon. I agree, glucose is fuel and not necessary for hydration, but it helps speed things up a little in the right proportions. In no way is absorption of water from the gut instantaneous. That is utter hogwash.
    Krebs cycle, citric acid cycle, that's great. What's the relevance to hydration? You want to talk about glycolysis and phosphorylation while we're at it? How about gluconeogenesis?
    I find it hilarious that you accuse me of using scientific words to bullshit people, since that is essentially the diametrical opposite of what I am attempting to accomplish here. Yes, big word, I apologize. You throw out that accusation, then you yourself bring up cellular respiration. Come on, man, really?
    So. While I have the utmost respect for the military and the sacrifices they make on a daily basis, it is not carte blanche to approach me with a bad attitude. Furthermore, I am intrigued that several of the things you asked for information about regarding the lab are almost exactly the same requests I've heard from certain people who shall remain un-named. And it has completely removed all doubt from my mind about who your task masters really are.
    I encourage anybody that reads the article above, and my posts here, to take a little time and do some research online. If I've fucked something up, show me a reference and I'll happily retract or edit my statement accordingly, assuming the reference checks out. Or, you can run it by a doctor, medical researcher, etc, and see what they say. I did.
    Just make sure it's a real doctor.

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  13. I also want to add, in case it wasn't clear, the single biggest reason I've taken such offense to Oral IV is that they are marketing it so heavily to the military. I will not stand idly by and watch this kind of crap being hawked to the military. They have a hard enough job as is. Taking something that they THINK is an electrolyte replacement product when it really isn't, is an awesome way to potentially get into real danger.

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  14. Ian, if you really want to help people I suggest you learn how the FDA approves things. The FDA does not conduct their own research they rely on the companies to conduct their own research. Those companies present flawed resurch results to get their drugs on the market. I will be happy to send you all the research on the drugs being pushed on soldiers by Doctors who were brainwashed into beleiving drugs were the best course of action to treat soldiers. The military's trauma docs are some of the best I have seen but soldiers are being prescribed multiple drug which cannot be used at the same time by people who do not look at contraindications. Adverse drug reactions are the #4 leading cause of death in the United States and drug related suicide is the leading cause of death in the military. Conventional medicine has failed. Americans are more unhealthy now than ever. The fact you think APSARTAME and things like MONOSODIUM GLUTAMATE are safe because the FDA says so is scary. Glutamate and Aspartate are natural neurotransmitters. MSG and Aspartame are artificial forms of your natural neurotransmitters. When glutamate uptake is excessive the acids become toxic and causes neurodegeneration. MREs and Rations are packed full of these chemicals not to mention all the junk soldiers eat. These additives are known as EXCITOTOXINS. TBI by itself is an Excitotoxic injury because it causes a rapid influx of CA2 and Glutamate for up to 60 minutes after initial injury. Do your own research. You will be shocked with what yo find. Also fluoroquinolines (Cipro, levaquin, mefloquine, primaquin)are also neurotoxic at high doses and cause tendon and ligament rupture along with cartilage damage. These drugs are also calcium channel interrupters. Soldiers have been forced to take these drugs without being properly being screened. These drugs are also cardiotoxic. They will cause QT prolongation and other heart defects. Azythromycin is also now being directly linked to heart failure. Do not be so trusting of the FDA. This system has failed because of corruption. If you look who is now running the FDA you will see it is former pharmaceutical and chemical company executives. The Deputy director of the FDA is the former VP of the chemical giant Monsanto. Monsanto is a mega chemical company who produced the dioxins used in agent orange and the pesticides being put in your food. They now make all the GMO crops destroying farm lands. Your safety is of no concern to these people. They care about money only. If you want to protect soldiers then please spread the word about what is really killing us. I was affected by all of these things and almost paid the price for it. I am publishing my research in two journals, I will be happy to send it to you when it gets published. I don't pull research from blogs. All of the facts I just sent you were from the National institute of health and the FDA.

    I will leave you with these facts from the FDA's own online warning.

    Adverse Drug Reaction (ADR)
    Over 2 MILLION serious ADRs yearly
    100,000 DEATHS yearly
    ADRs 4th leading cause of death ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents and automobile deaths
    Ambulatory patients ADR rate—unknown
    Nursing home patients ADR rate— 350,000 yearly
    http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/DevelopmentResources/DrugInteractionsLabeling/ucm114848.htm


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7854587

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19284184

    http://www.fda.gov/drugs/drugsafety/ucm341822.htm

    http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/lookup.cfm?setid=05b557b5-24ea-48c7-9ba8-f7d696c86a94

    http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/DevelopmentResources/DrugInteractionsLabeling/ucm114848.htm

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  15. Geoff, I'm not being a smartass here, but you are not telling me anything I don't know already. I am painfully aware of how over-prescribed the entire western world is when it comes to medications, and yes, often without regard for interactions. I've seen it every day in my work and you can believe I've dressed down more than one doctor and nurse about it.
    I am also no fan of the FDA in general, as I think it's a pretty corrupt system, as is the USDA.
    But corrupt doesn't mean that everything that comes out of there is utter garbage. There is a great many people working for those agencies, scientists and otherwise, that do good work on a daily basis. It would be a mistake to dismiss that body of work.

    My point about aspartame is merely that by the general scientific community, within reasonable doses, aspartame is considered largely safe for the vast majority of the population. Safe in the sense that people aren't just dropping over dead in droves after having a diet coke. That is not the same as saying you should go out and drink 4 cases of diet coke a day because, hey, you'll be 'aight. You will note that I do say that I'm not a fan of artificial much of anything, and I absolutely believe we would all be better off without exposure to these kinds of things.

    BUT, that does nothing to change the fact that saying that aspartame is disguised as phenylalanine is complete and utter horseshit. It's beyond wrong.

    Where the MSG, cipro, and Monsanto come into play... I'm sorry, what's the relevance again?

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  16. You claimed Oral IV was dangerous, how are minerals and electrolytes dangerous? If you want to warn people about dangerous stuff then focus on the stuff actually making people sick. There have been no adverse effects from Oral IV. As a matter of fact it has been used at Best Ranger two years in a row and it is the first time they have never had heat casualties. I have been using this stuff for the last year and I can tell you it has worked for me.

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  17. There are numerous ways minerals and electrolytes can be dangerous.
    In this case, it is largely because of a LACK of them that Oral IV is problematic. Look up conditions like hyponatremia or hypokalemia.


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  18. the stuff has a dramatic positive impact for me when I take it... I LOVE OralIV.. it DOES work.

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    1. I'm glad you feel it works for you. But that doesn't do anything to change the results of the testing we did. Placebo can be a very powerful thing. I'd suggest just trying to drink more water and see how you feel. If you want to get real technical, you could pre-mix a bunch of identical bottles, some with Oral IV, others with regular water. Have somebody else mix them up for you so you don't know which is which, then see what the results are.

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  19. Great article Ian. I was appalled when I saw the Haley video on this product about a week ago. Unfortunately, it would appear a number of otherwise intelligent individuals have also been suckered into this hogwash. The claims that were made in the Haley video (such as 60 second systemic absorption, etc.) immediately struck me as completely ridiculous and contrary to well established principles of human physiology. Thanks for taking the time to dissect the various claims being made by the promoters and marketers of OralIV. Your second article on this topic (detailing the lab test results) is also very informative and serves to further back up my conclusion that OralIV is "hydrating" in as much as drinking 15mL of H2O is. I also agree that relying on it to prevent electrolyte imbalance would be highly inadvisable and could be down right dangerous.

    PS - As for all the anecdotal "evidence" people are claiming - I say never underestimate the power of the placebo effect!

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  20. I saw Oral IV as one of tools Outside magazines last issue listed as "Best tool for powerful thirsts" - where "each one ounce shot is equivalent to 16 ounces of water." I didn't think that sounded right. Water is a fluid, how can you say 1 ounce of fluid is equal to 16 ounces of another fluid? Mineral wise? I dont understand the equivalency. Can you get the effects of drinking water from drinking less of another fluid? Anyway, your great analysis of some of the other claims cleared up what this product is, and isn't. Maybe i'll just stick to gatorade. Thanks for the information!

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  21. I don't even know where Outside got that. To give Oral IV some credit, even their marketing doesn't claim that it supplies more actual water than there is in the vial. That's part of their recommendation of mixing it with 16-20oz of water. So, it's possible Outside magazine just went completely off the deep-end when they wrote their copy.

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  22. Can you please post the actual lab results for us to see? You can solidify your point by showing the actual results. Nobody will doubt what a reliable lab says.

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  23. The numbers I received from the testing are on the other article, Geoff. But realistically, given that the official numbers for sodium and potassium content have already been listed by Oral IV themselves as being UNDER 1mg per dose, it almost doesn't matter. There is no magic involved here. No secret nanotechnology that can change the size of atoms or molecules. A product either has sufficient electrolytes to be beneficial or it doesn't. According to their own FAQ, Oral IV falls into that latter category. Also, Johns Hopkins University will very shortly be publishing something about Oral IV. Yes, Johns Hopkins.

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  24. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DdWRd1td1M

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  25. This just popped up on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9GvWn8Wfmc Have you considered having a dialog with Dr. Beck Ian?

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  26. Craig,
    Absolutely. I spent a great deal of time and effort in reaching him for comment before we published the chemical analysis. I left e-mails, voice mails, messages with a number of different people, all in a futile attempt to talk to him. While several people said they'd make sure he would get back to me, no such contact ever occurred. On the contrary, instead of having Beck contact us, they went on an extensive editing spree on their website and have by now changed almost all of their original claims into something that is far more vague. I thought that was interesting in and of itself.

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  27. Oh, and Craig? Please give my best to Ms. Moul.

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